MNL with priors from different literature or without priors?

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MNL with priors from different literature or without priors?

Postby Linlin » Fri Feb 04, 2022 11:08 pm

Hi all,

Here are some questions about my first choice experiments and I could use some help!

1) I try to use priors from different literature applied DCM with the efficiency measures(D error:0.986, A error:6.174, B estimate:32.33, S estimate:547.56 ). Is it ok to use priors from different literature in which different attributes were tested using MNL or WTP-space? Would it be better to assume 0 for all parameters? I've run the syntax assuming MNL without priors, resulting with the efficiency measures(D error:0.659, A error:2.502, B estimate:100, S estimate:0 ).

2) What does B estimate mean?

3) If we assume 0 for all parameters, the resulting S estimate is 0. Then how many samples we should collect for estimation?

4) If I'd like to try MMNL panel model without priors, how the code would be?

5) If block technique is applied for efficent design, is there anything I should pay attention to during the sample collecting?

Thank you!
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Re: MNL with priors from different literature or without pri

Postby Michiel Bliemer » Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:01 am

1. You can only compare efficiency (D-error, A-error, S-estimate, etc) across designs when using the same priors, so from your numbers I could not say which design is better. But I am generally very careful about taking priors from the literature, especially if they come from different literatures, because different countries have different cultures and currencies, and different models have different scale parameters (error variance), which does not allow you to directly use parameter values from another study. WTP and parameter ratios are often more transferrable, but you will still need to guess the scale parameter. See also: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1755534515300877

2. B-estimate = balance. A choice task is 100% balanced if each alternative is chosen with equal probabilty, and is 0% balanced if there exists a dominant alternative. Neither 0% nor 100% give you much information. The B estimate computes the average balance across all choice tasks. Note that using zero priors means equal probabilities and therefore 100% balance, but you should ignore this when you use zero priors as balance cannot be computed.

3. (Minimum) sample size estimates only exist when you have reliable priors, for example from a pilot study, and should otherwise be ignored. There is no other way to reliably determine minimum required sample size. Usually sample size is based on your available budget, can you afford 100? 500? 1000? I generally try to find budget to collect data from at least 1000 respondents. Once you have done a pilot study and obtained more reliable priors, then you may have better sample size estimates.

4. Optimising a design for a panel mixed logit is almost impossible given the huge amount of computation time required (often weeks or months). It is fine to optimise your design for estimating an MNL model, this design can also be used to estimate a panel mixed logit model. See also: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191261509001398

5. No, the blocking is just a way to assign different respondents different choice tasks, but typically you do not need to account for blocking in my estimation. The only design artefact that you typically account for in model estimation is left-to-right bias, since alternatives shown on the left (or at the top) in a survey are chosen more often. If you have an unlabelled experiment, then you simply add constants to the utility functions. If you have a labelled experiment, you will need to randomise the order (across respondents) in which you show alternatives in the survey and add a dummy variable with the order in which each attribute appeared in the choice task to the utility functions.

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Re: MNL with priors from different literature or without pri

Postby Linlin » Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:19 pm

Thank you , Michiel.
To obtain reliable priors, how many samples we should collect in a prior study?
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Re: MNL with priors from different literature or without pri

Postby Michiel Bliemer » Sun Feb 06, 2022 7:58 pm

Typically 10% of your total sample size, depending on your budget. I generally try to budget for a sample size of 1000 respondents and have a pilot study sample size of 100 respondents. But it is entirely up to you.

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Re: MNL with priors from different literature or without pri

Postby Linlin » Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:17 am

Appreciating your support!
Thanks! :lol:
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